Yep, yep. Or people who stand right in front of an empty seat instead of sitting down, thus blocking it from other people and taking up extra space. In Japan, a full car was a FULL car -- people don't even cross their legs because that takes up more space and you might hit someone with your shoe. Here, I often see cars that are too full for anyone to board despite many empty seats because people are taking up two seats, blocking empties, and not moving to the empty parts of away from the doors. It's disgusting.