Open Source Bathroom

[plumtreeblossom]

A trend in interior design that I find increasingly disturbing is the exposed-to-the-room layout of the bathroom facilities in some trendy hotel rooms and apartments. When I say exposed, I really do mean it -- toilets and showers in varying levels of view ranging from through a sheer lace curtain to absolute naked nothing between the main room and the throne & its sitter.

I'm not making this up. Do a Google image search for "transparent bathroom" and "open bathroom" and you will see more than you ever wanted to see, unless your kinks take you in that direction. Oh, you don't believe me? As you might have guessed, mine do not.

beowabbit and I got a mild taste of this on our most recent trip to New York. We stayed in a posh boutique hotel in the Financial District (accessible to us only because of Priceline's astonishing discounts). Everything about our room was perfect except that the bathroom wall was nothing but very translucent frosted glass that allowed view of full silhouettes and large and medium details, the closer one was to the glass. What's more, the toilet was right up against the glass.

It was an awkward little problem. beowabbit and I are very close as a couple, but there are some basic privacy lines that we Do Not Cross, and basically the buck stops at the loo. We got around it by draping towels or using it with the light off, or just averting our eyes as politely as we could. We still enjoyed the room very much, but an opaque wall would have saved us the work of preventing overshare.

As I say, this was mild. If it was only an exposed shower I would have no problem with that -- I'm not that prissy. But really, go have a look on Google and see what designers are doing to eliminate the last shreds of intimate privacy. I have long railed about the barbaric design of most American public restrooms, with the peek-a-boo gaps on either side of the door, and the stalls stopping a foot or more above the floor leaving the feet and ankles exposed. I didn't know from exposure until I saw pictures of some of these ritzy hotel rooms and lofts, in some cases with the toilet and bidet simply in an un-partitioned indent, proudly facing the living area.

I imagine there are those who would say "There is nothing sexier than a confident woman on the toilet." If that's how you feel, fine. I will NEVER be sharing a hotel room with you.

I don't sense this trend is fading. We live in an increasingly transparent society; we keep our journals and our calendars online. If I know your full name I can buy more data on you than you probably have on yourself, and you can do the same to me, and we live with that knowledge. There's a generation coming up that is so accustomed transparent living and self-exposure that they may well think "I'm so great, why wouldn't anyone want to watch me go to the bathroom?" No, I predict that in 100 years, there will be no such thing as bath "rooms." Public facilities will be just rows of toilets side by side with no stalls at all, and in-home showers and toilets will be wherever they're most convenient to access -- in the living room, patio, kitchen, anywhere.

I have once again secured us posh digs for our upcoming New York trip, and thanks to Priceline the room is $80 cheaper than the Howard Johnson and $20 cheaper than the Pod Hotel. Best value in town, because I rule at bargain-hunting. But when I say I want an en-suite bath, I don't mean it LITERALLY. A bathroom. With opaque walls. And a door that closes. Please. Thank you.

Comments

[strangeanimal.livejournal.com]

I have never seen that, and don't ever want to!

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

It's becoming something to ask about before booking upscale or trendy hotel rooms. I wouldn't have really known about it if I hadn't found a way for non-rich folks like us to get fancy rooms for the price of a motel.

I'm just imagining going beck down to the lobby after checking in and saying "Could we have a room with a bathroom wall?" and the snooty clerks rolling their eyes at us hillbilly tourists and saying "Certainly, for and extra $100."

[bedfull-o-books.livejournal.com]

Actually the ancient Romans had public toilets with several seats all in a row around a room. I'm at work and have no time to look up links for you, but it is true. I've seen footage.

Not that that's a comfort or anything. Just that trends to come and go and come again. And, in this instance, I hope, go again.

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

Oh, I don't doubt. Privacy needs vary from culture to culture, and for many its a luxury. But I was born into a set of generations where eliminatory privacy was a given in most parts of the world, at least for healthy and non-incarcerated people. Sorry to say, I can't do without it. (was that a pun?) It think its funny that it's these shi-shi high-end hotels and apartments that are dismissing the notion of privacy as a need, and pusing exposure into the realm of being some form of social duty (was that another pun?).

[bedfull-o-books.livejournal.com]

Puns galore.

I have less trouble with the concept in a hotel room shared with my beloved than I would in an apartment (over)-sharing with, say, my parents, or anyone else for that matter. It is a trend I just don't get. (And hadn't heard of the trend before either.)

I thought the fetish for stainless steel appliances was bad....

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

The impression I get is that they are trying to push boundaries, but they're doing it in a way that smacks of non-consentuality. Its one thing if a couple (or trio or whatever) picks that room because they *do* want the exposure, but its another thing entirely to spring it on people who weren't expecting it. Our frosted glass bathroom wasn't so bad, but take a look at that 2nd link I posted. NOTHING can be done discreetly in there.

The exposed shower idea is kinda sexy, given the right set of circumstances. But toilet? Just no.

[bedfull-o-books.livejournal.com]

There definitely should be some advanced warning. What if you were coworkers on a business trip? Or (as the first article mentioned) an adult traveling with a parent?

Just awful.

[kalliejenn2.livejournal.com]

the sentence "there is nothing sexier than a confident woman on the toilet" makes me retch a little in my mouth.

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

DOESN'T IT? :-) But I've known people who would say something like that. I shudder!

O_o

[hammercock.livejournal.com]

Er...uh...whut?

Re: O_o

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

Believe it, sister. If you're booking a resort or chic hotel, I would consider asking what kind of bathrooms they have in the rooms, if it matters to you.

Re: O_o

[hammercock.livejournal.com]

Maybe they should replace all the regular room doors with jail bars, too. Go for broke! Expose it all!

[ron_newman]

Can I un-read this?

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

Don't forget to look at the pictures!

[ron_newman]

First link just looks to me like "glass door in place of shower curtain", something I've seen before.

[oneagain.livejournal.com]

ew.

[heatherp8.livejournal.com]

EW!

There are some lines that are simply not meant to be crossed.
Some bodily functions that are not meant to be witnessed.

'nuff said.

[rdcf.livejournal.com]

Uh, yeah, not for me.

[scholargipsy.livejournal.com]

Jude and I stayed in a trendy hotel room in Miami once that had this, er, feature. I can't say it bothered me at the time, but the idea of inadvertently sharing a transparent bathroom with, say, either of my parents gives me the fantods.

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

Oh horrors, yes. Or if you were traveling with someone who was just a friend but not a romantic partner. I'd honestly have to reject the room and stay elsewhere.

Long ago I had a live-in boyfriend who felt alienated by my complete refusal to agree to a bathroom open door policy. He felt that we should be at "the pooping in front of each other stage," and that we should keep absolutely nothing secret from each other. This is an intimacy stage to which I do not and will not EVER go with anyone, and he was no exception. I don't see it as a "secret," its just common civility and dignity.

[kencf0618.livejournal.com]

How bizarre. And not even a crescent moon...

[weegoddess.livejournal.com]

FWIW, many public establishments of a certain age in Continental Europe (like French and Belgian pubs that have been around for more than 50 years) have similar set-ups in that there's one room and the urinals are in the front and there is maybe one cubicle in the back. And it's unisex. So, basically, you walk by the backs of guys taking a pee on your way to the cubicle. And if the cubicle is occupied, then you stand in queue...with the backs of the guys peeing right there.

Am I saying I love that arrangement? No. But I got used to it. As does pretty much everyone else who has had to deal with such a situation all of their lives (i.e., the ones who live in those cities and frequent those pubs). I can imagine that most countries not of the first world have similar set-ups, if they have plumbing at all.

I'm not trying to invalidate your squick and I do understand the want for privacy. There are few things more wonderful than a private, tiled bathroom with a hot shower (I know this; I go camping regularly). May you continue to have all the privacy you could wish for. ;-)

[plumtreeblossom.livejournal.com]

Back when the club Manray was around, I hated their co-ed bathroom with stall doors that didn't lock. I'm glad I didn't encounter that sort of facility you describe in my travels in Europe, but I really didn't go to many pubs, so that might have had something to do with it!

[chienne-folle.livejournal.com]

Geeze. I was unaware of this trend until you mentioned it, and I sincerely hope never to experience it firsthand!